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- Let us commence.
- I'm Jeon Hyun-moo, the chairman of the borderless youth committee, Non-summit.
- I'm Secretary General Yoo Se-yoon.
- I'm Chairman Sung Si-kyung.
We're Jeon-yoo-sung.
Let's look at the Biboard Chart by ranking for today.
America has the Billboard Charts and Japan has the Oricon Charts..
Today's topic for the Biboard Chart will be
useful for the upcoming summer vacation.
Let's look at the 2017 rankings for best travel sites around the world.
- A global travel magazine Lonely Planet and the New York Times
chose 50 travel sites to explore in 2017.
- This ranking is updated every year.
- I think all of you have
great pride in your countries. - That's right.
- Who thinks their country will be in the list?
- Canada.
- Everyone.
- Switzerland.
- China has a lot of beautiful scenery. - Yes.
Since the land is so huge.
- Same with the US. - And Mexico...
- We have a lot of nature and there is Cancun.
- You can't leave out Switzerland.
- And Japan.
- All the countries.
- Germany...
- I'm confident.
- I'm very confident.
- What city in Germany do you expect?
- Hamburg.
It's the most beautiful city in Germany is Hamburg.
- I've never heard of someone that actually plans to go to Hamburg.
- Not many people might be interested in Hamburg at first,
but everyone who's been to Hamburg falls in love with the city.
- 10th place for the most unforgettable place was Hamburg in Germany.
- Wow. - Hamburg has strong pride.
The people from Hamburg.
- Please tell us about Hamburg.
- Hamburg is a city designated by UNESCO
and it has the most bridges in Europe.
There are 2472 bridges in Hamburg
and you can enjoy a beautiful view walking across the bridges.
The fish market is always booming on Sunday mornings,
and they're famous for their fish burgers. - Yum.
- Not many tourists might know this,
but there's a very popular music festival.
You can enjoy various music and arts
and have a good time.
- Hamburg is also famous for being
an environmentally-friendly city.
There was this huge highway in Hamburg
which was so noisy,
so they built a park on top.
- It has a great environment.
- Has anyone been to Hamburg?
Although it's ranked as 10th place for global recommended travel site...
- You'll fall in love with the place if you go.
- I'm scared to go because I might fall too deeply in love with the city.
It's like I can't get out.
- Let's look at 9th place.
- 9th place was unexpected too.
- What is this?
- It's so random.
- Can we trust this?
- Isn't it Ulsan in Korea?
The city of automotive.
- I heard it's a little dangerous.
- The hub of global automotive industry, Detroit in the US.
- It's been getting really popular recently.
- What?
- Detroit.
- Have you been to Detroit?
- No, I haven't.
- It wasn't really nice when I lived in the states.
- It's turning into this hot place.
It was having an economic slump,
but it's slowly making a comeback.
Detroit was the only city in the US
chosen as a design city by UNESCO in 2013.
Detroit has beautiful architecture
and it's also famous for industrial designs.
Also, there is an EDM festival that Aurélien might like.
An EDM festival. - It's big.
- It's called Movement Electric Festival.
- Is it safe?
- People say that Detroit is very dangerous.
- I read a newspaper article.
- There are some sketchy parts like other US cities,
but it has improved a lot.
- I think today's Detroit is very different
from Detroit in the past.
- That was a new information.
Next up is 8th place.
It is an international tourism city located near the US borders.
It's Tijuana in Mexico.
- Tijuana?
- Where's Tijuana?
- Tijuana is in the northern region of Mexico.
It is a rising city like Detroit,
but people still perceive it as a dangerous place.
- Like Detroit.
- I think they chose the most thrilling travel sites.
- Some people think that it's a dangerous place,
but a lot of Hollywood stars are building their houses in Tijuana
and there are express transits to Tijuana.
- There's a wall, right?
- What wall?
- There's a wall there.
- Tijuana is famous for
being a place where they
shoot the movie 'Titanic'.
Which scene?
- The scene where the ship sinks.
- On the sea?
- There is this place called Rosarito Beach.
The movie was filmed on the beach so it became really famous.
- The water must be warm then.
- That's right.
- But they acted like it was freezing water. - That's right.
They even built a professional set
for filming natural disaster scenes.
So a lot of filmmakers visit Tijuana as well.
The Mexican border is known for its mafia.
It's something that we can't deny but it's gotten a lot better now.
- Korean people tend to get easily scared in places like that.
- What are some of safety travel tips? Since safety is the most important.
- This is true for other cities as well,
and you just need to avoid areas with a lot of pickpocketers.
- So just watch out on your own.
Look around carefully.
- Okay. Tijuana.
- No. 7 is a place famous for the Rocky Mountains.
It's Grand Teton National Park in the US.
- Grand Teton is a national park,
and it's so famous that it is called the Alps of America.
The mountains have glaciers
and are composed of 12 steep mountains.
So it is a popular filming site.
The Cowboy culture is still prevalent there,
and they're famous for their steaks.
There is this dish called Steak Tartar Pizza,
and it's like American style raw beef.
It's like raw beef on pizza and it's very popular.
- It's so funny how none of the cities
we expected at first aren't mentioned. - Right.
- I think they chose cities that are becoming more popular,
rather than cities that are already popular travel sites.
- I think so.
- Since people already know the famous places.
- Okay.
No. 6 is called the pearl of Adriatic Sea,
which is Dubrovnik in Croatia.
5th place is Botswana in South Africa, famous for its safari.
The Republic of Botswana.
- 4th pace is Matterhorn.
Zermatt in Switzerland.
Please tell us about Zermatt.
- I think it's already popular though.
- Maybe it's getting even more popular.
It must be.
- Zermatt is a high-altitude town that you can go only by train,
and the most famous place in Zermatt is the Matterhorn Mountain.
It looks like a pyramid and it is absolutely breathtaking.
An activity that I highly recommend
in Zermatt is paragliding.
It starts from 3100m high, lasts 20 minutes and you can take the photo of your life.
- The photo of your life. - Yes.
And you must eat the Toblerone chocolate.
The logo of Toblerone chocolate is the Matterhorn.
- You can find them in duty free shops...
- You need to take a photo holding the chocolate
with the Matterhorn Mountain in the background.
- Have you been there, Alex?
- I've been there twice.
- Of course.
- Actually my cousin has a house there.
- Your cousin has a house there.
- And the Matterhorn Mountain is owned by Alex's uncle.
- 3rd place is Agra in India,
the home of the Taj Mahal, the infamous Islamic architecture.
- I want to go there. - I've been there.
- How was it?
- It's too hot.
It's too hot there.
You should be prepared for the heat.
- It's great to hear the pros and cons.
- I got the most tanned in my life
when I went to Agra.
- If you want to get tanned...
- It's natural tanning.
They give out plastic bags in front of Taj Mahal.
- Yes, that's right.
- Your feet gets too hot.
You have to walk around barefoot.
- Agra was 3rd place.
- We should say something good too.
Taj Mahal is...
- It's a must-go place. - Yes.
- 2nd place is Atacama Desert in Chile,
the driest region in the world where it never rains.
- How can you go here?
- It's the best place for watching the stars,
since it's very dry and has high altitude.
- I wonder where 1st place is.
- Italy hasn't been mentioned yet.
Maybe because Italy is already famous.
- Since it's already famous.
- I think it's France.
- One of your countries is 1st place.
- It's undoubtedly a beautiful country though.
- It's Canada.
It's actually all of Canada.
Is that possible?
- It's Canada's 150th anniversary,
so you can get into all the national parks for free.
You can enjoy Canada's nature without
- Is there any place you recommend as a Canadian citizen?
- I want to recommend this place
where not many Korean people visit.
There is a city called Tadoussac
where you can watch 20 species of whales.
I went there on school trips when I was young,
so it's a memorable place for me.
It's really nice. - Whales.
- Also, there is this outdoor vendor market that I really want to go to.
It's the Richmond Night Market with 200 outdoor vendors,
where you can enjoy delicious food and drink craft beers.
- Some of the places outside the Top. 10 list were
Osaka in 15th place. - Osaka.
- Please tell us about Osaka.
- There is the Tenjin Festival which is one of the three most famous festivals in Japan.
It has a history over 1000 years and 1,300,000 visitors each year.
The highlight is the fireworks.
There's a river called Okawa River,
and over 100 lit-up boats gather on the river
and you can watch 5000 fireworks.
It's large-scale and very beautiful.
This year, it will be held on July 24th and 25th.
So don't miss out.
- Osaka has a very nice atmosphere.
It's not as busy as Tokyo and it has delicious food.
Normally, I don't like Takoyaki,
but you have to try the ones in Osaka.
Okonomiyaki in Osaka is also very tasty.
- That's right.
- Are the people in Osaka different from Tokyo like how Busan is different from Seoul?
- Yes, they have different personality.
Osaka is the hub for making people laugh.
- Making people laugh?
- It's the hub of laughter.
- Osaka?
- A lot of Japanese comedians are from Osaka. - That's right.
So it has a very bright atmosphere and if you pretend to shoot someone on the street
they will pretend with you too. - Really?
- What happens if you do that in Tokyo?
If you pretend to shoot someone.
- They'll think you're crazy.
- There are a lot of people like Se-yoon.
- In Tokyo, you go on the escalator on the left,
while you go on the right in Osaka. - Right?
- It's because they're competitive and they want to do it the opposite way.
- To be different from Tokyo?
- Really?
Let's look at 18th place.
- 18th place is Porquerolles in France.
- Where's Porquerolles?
- Where is it?
- In the South.
- It's an island, so you can enjoy various activities there.
You can do paddle boats, go diving or ride on yachts.
There are churches and there is this mysterious place.
Please put a CG here.
It's called the Pirate's Cave and it's a little track that leads to the beach.
We don't know who made it.
Just go and see for yourself.
- So chic.
- Please make it sound a little more interesting.
- Just go and see for yourself.
- Next is a place called the Hawaii of Asia.
I've been here too.
- You've been to so many places.
- So many places.
- This is Hainan Island.
It's Sanya in China.
20th place.
- It's the northernmost city in Hainan Island.
It has a tropical climate and there are a lot of fruits there.
It kind of feels like Southeast Asia.
It was also voted as one of the cities
with the best air quality in China.
When you go here,
you must see this statue.
It's 108 meters high and
from far away, it looks like it's floating on sea.
- It's huge. - That's Buddha.
- Really?
- It's taller than the Statue of Liberty.
I heard that they made it taller than the Statue of Liberty on purpose.
- On purpose.
- It's the highest statue in the world.
- Right.
- We didn't know about it.
- Alberto, have you been here?
- Yes, I have.
There is a Monkey Island nearby
and I highly recommend going there.
It's very fun,
and there are a lot of monkeys.
- There are monkeys everywhere.
They're running around.
My mother got her hand scratched once while trying to feed the monkeys.
- You need to be careful.
- Because the monkeys are running around everywhere.
- They'll take your glasses and hats.
- If you give a coke bottle to the monkeys, they'll open it and drink it.
- Right.
- It's so cool. - Right, right.
- They drink it and go like this.
- "I don't like Zero Coke."
- They're really good at peeling mandarins.
- They'll peel it and eat it.
Bananas.
- 37th place was Calabria,
Italy's southernmost region.
- It has beautiful nature and the water is very clear.
It's so clean it's like Maldives.
The best thing is that the expenses are cheap.
I rented a large villa by the beach
for 2 weeks for only $600.
We went swimming and kayaking every day.
There was this restaurant overlooking the beach,
and I would eat seafood and pizza while watching the sunset.
And...
- See? He's a good salesman.
He's good.
- I really want to go there.
- Calabria has a lot spicy food.
They also host the pepperoncino festival.
- I want to go there.
- One of the most famous foods
is spicy cow intestines.
- Like a Korean stew.
- It's very similar to the Korean dish.
We have this thing called Calabria sauce. - That sounds good.
- It's also called the Calabria bomb
and it's like a natural Viagra.
- If you eat that...
- Hyun-moo...
- I don't need it.
- There are a lot of regions in Pakistan that is becoming more popular,
and one of the regions I recommend is Skardu Hunza Gilgit.
- Wow.
- It looks like Switzerland. - It's my hometown.
There is this program called Baltit Homestay and Camping,
which is a homestay program where
you can experience the local culture.
The people here always puts guests first,
so if they see you on the street,
they'll invite you to their homes
for a cup of tea.
Don't be afraid because it's safe.
You can just enjoy a cup of tea.
This region as 0% crime rate.
- I really want to visit the Hunza area.
- More than Detroit.
- What if someone asks you to have tea at their house in Detroit?
- For Korea, Busan came in 48th place.
48th place.
- Are you satisfied?
- Have you all been to Busan?
Who hasn't been to Busan?
- Simlin looks so sad.
- You have to go to Busan.
- You have to take a jumping photo on the Busan beach.
- You'll get a lot of likes.
- Please tell us what was good about Busan.
- Alberto, I heard you've been to Busan 20 times.
- I've been there many times.
- I've been there for work and there are a lot of delicious food.
Pork stew, steamed pork, grilled clams and raw fish.
My favorite place in Busan is the Samgwangsa.
It's a very pretty temple. - That's right.
- It is lit up at night and very pretty. - It's very pretty.
It's only lit up on Buddha's Birthday though.
- Right.
- So beautiful.
- There is also the Haedong Yonggungsa.
- Haedong Yonggungsa.
- It's so beautiful.
The temple is right in front of the sea
so it is truly breathtaking.
- Who is this? - Is it Alberto?
- It's me.
It's a photo of me.
- I really like Busan so I go there once every month or two.
What I really like is the lobster course
at the Haeundae outdoor vendor town.
They have this unique lobster sashimi.
Also, there is this place called Gamchon Cultural Village.
It's so beautiful.
There are multi-colored houses on the mountain,
and Alberto might know, but
it reminds me of Burano in Italy.
Since Simlin has never been there before,
I've invited him to come to Busan next week. - Thank you.
- Different countries have different etiquette and cultures.
- What are some of the things that we should be aware of?
- What are some of the etiquette in your countries?
- You should never touch a child's head in China. - That's right
- Really? - Never.
Unless you're a close friend.
There are different reasons why, but people believe that it can
bring disasters to one's life.
You have to watch out.
- You can't even say "You're cute"?
- No.
- Can you pinch a child's cheek?
"Aww, so cute."
- You should just say it and not touch the child.
- It's like that in Japan too.
You can't touch a child or a dog.
- A dog?
- For example, if Mark has a dog, it's his dog
and I shouldn't touch someone else's dog.
What you should know in Japan is how to 'read the air'.
It's about being quick-witted.
You need to catch on to the atmosphere quickly.
If everyone is in a line but you budge,
that's not good etiquette.
And if everyone on the subway is quiet,
but you're the only one that's talking, you're not reading the atmosphere.
- Similar to Japan, people in Mexico
always say "Thank you" and "Please".
For example, when you go to a restaurant in Korea,
and you're asking for the receipt,
you say "Can I get the receipt?".
In Mexico, we say "Can I get the receipt, please?".
- "Can I get the receipt, please?"
- Por favor.
We say "Thank you" a lot too.
- Thank you.
Please in Japan say "Sorry" a lot.
- I'm worried to see so many people speaking in impolite tone.
Many tourists say "Arigato", which is how you talk to someone who's younger.
- You should say "Arigato Gozaimasu".
- "Arigato" is impolite.
-It's impolite.
- Lee Si-eon went to Japan for the show 'I Live Alone',
and he went to this Soba restaurant
and kept saying "Ah, arigato".
"Oishi."
- That's an impolite tone.
- Thanks, that's delicious.
Arigato, Ichiban, Oishi.
- I didn't know either.
- You have to say "-desu" at the end.
- "-desu". - "Arigato Gozaimasu."
"Oishidesu."
- What should we be careful of when we're in Canada?
- You need to tip when you're in Canada.
- It's difficult.
- Many foreigners don't know how much to tip,
and it's different for each province but it's 15% in Quebec.
You just need to give what's written on the receipt.
- 15%.
- Same as the tax?
I thought you could choose from 10%, 15% and 20%.
- You can choose if you pay by card.
If you pay 15% or higher, it means that the service was excellent.
- Tipping is really important in America,
and you need to tip your server whether the service was good or not.
It's shocking not to tip someone.
You pay 10% for bad service and 20% for good service.
Because servers can't afford living without their tips.
- Yes.
- So even if the service is bad, you need to tip the server.
There is something that people
traveling in New York should know,
and it's that people in New York walk really fast.
People might get annoyed and might even say something to you
if you walk really slowly.
It's also bad etiquette to walk in groups
hogging up the street.
- Since it interferes with walking.
- Whether or not you can travel abroad, you should still get some rest.
A friend that makes you feel like you're traveling around the world.
Who?
It's Non-summit.
- Let's begin the official discussion.
- Who's going to be here today?
- Today's guests are the judge and participant of the show 'Phantom Singer'
The ghosts of the musical industry with their fantastic acting skills,
musical actors Michael Lee and Go Eun-sung.
- So handsome.
- Please introduce yourself.
- Hello.
I'm a musical actor,
and I was on the show 'Phantom Singer' recently.
My name is Go Eun-sung.
- Welcome.
- How did you do on the show?
- Our team came in 3rd place.
- 3rd place.
And Michael Lee.
- Hello.
I'm a musical actor born and raised in the US, Michael Lee.
Nice to meet you.
- Where in America were you born?
- I was born in Brooklyn and raised in Buffalo.
- I heard you're nervous because everyone here is good in Korean.
- I'm worried that they might be better than me.
I'll try my best though.
- It's difficult.
To be honest.
- Korean is hard.
During our team dinner
for season 1 of Phantom Singer,
Eun-sung told me that he really wants to come on this show.
- Really?
- Yes.
And today is the day.
- We like enthusiastic guests.
- I watched almost every episode
of this show since it started.
- That's what he said.
- I also watched all the episodes of
'Where is My Friend's Home?'.
- Who do you find the most memorable? - Who was your favorite member?
- I like all the members.
For this season, I like Aurélien.
I really like his hairstyle.
- It's nice.
- I saw Eun-sung singing an Italian song.
- Yes.
- He has a really good pronunciation.
- No, I don't have a good pronunciation.
- Actually,
He can sing in languages of all the countries here.
It's possible.
- Unbelievable.
- Please show us.
Which country are you starting with?
- I sang a song called Musica on 'Phantom Singer'.
- He has perfect pronunciation.
- Perfect.
Can you sing in German too?
- I don't know German that well.
But to say a little...
I'm sorry, my tie is bothering me.
- He said he's not good, but he's really good.
Really.
- Why is he good at everything?
- Lastly, French.
- It's French.
- There is a song called 'Le Feuilles Mortes' by Yves Montand. - Le Feuilles Mortes.
- How was it?
- It was good, but some parts could be improved.
So why don't you take some tutoring lessons from me...
- Stop finding work here.
- I was actually expecting
Aurélien to say something funny.
- What could be improved?
- I'll try to fix it here.
- You did a pretty good job with the nasal sound, but we can make it perfect.
- If he gets a tutor from you.
- Don't sing in French, just sing in Italian.
- There will be a good performance.
- Eun-sung was a contestant,
and Michael was the judge on the show.
And you two will do a collaboration performance.
I think this will be a first.
Which song will you be singing?
- It's a song called 'Le Temps Des Cathedrals',
which was in the musical Notre-dame de Paris.
It's a song I sang on the show.
Michael actually played the character who sings this song in the musical.
- Notre-dame de Paris is one of the most famous musicals in the world.
It was successful around the globe,
so we chose that song.
- We'll be singing in English, French and Korean.
- Nice.
- Thank you.
- You two shine the most when you're singing.
- Thank you for the great performance,
in an environment that's not the best for singing.
- Thank you.
- Let's begin the official 156th Non-summit.
Let's hear the agenda brought up by Michael Lee and Go Eun-sung.
- This is something I thought about
after I achieved my lifelong dream of becoming a musical actor.
- Am I unusual to think that you can
give up a stable career to do something that you love?
- Okay.
Michael, I heard you graduated from Stanford.
You're fully into musicals, right?
- I studied Psychology in Stanford University.
And I finished pre-med studies.
- Mark went to Princeton University.
- What is Stanford like?
- The acceptance rates are like 3, 4, 5%.
- So it's not easy to get in. - It isn't.
- Didn't your parents oppose
when you wanted to become a musical actor?
- Yes, they did.
Both my father and brother are doctors,
so they wanted me to become a doctor as well.
- It's what you call 'heartbreaking'.
When you finished all the studies.
- With the studies aside, weren't you
not an early age to try something completely new?
- I was 20 or 21 years old in American age.
- So you went on auditions?
- I got an opportunity for an audition.
An open call.
I went on the musical 'Miss Saigon' which changed my life.
- And you always enjoyed singing?
- Yes.
I loved singing so much, so I always sang on my free time.
Do you guys all know Malcolm Gladwell?
He wrote the 'Outliers'.
It says that for you to become a master at something, you need to spend 10,000 hours.
If you force yourself to do it, it can be really difficult.
But since I was interested in it, it flew by.
- Since you were young.
- Yes.
I always sang when I was little.
- Your parents must've approved after 'Miss Saigon'.
- Yes, they were very happy.
- They recognized your efforts. - They saw the sincerity.
- Eun-sung, can you give up a stable job?
- I wouldn't give up the job I like.
- I heard you prepared 200 different impersonation skills.
What if you get a casting offer
from a show like 'Infinite Challenge'?
- Become the next Jeon Hyun-moo.
- I don't think I would change my mind
because this is the job I dreamed of.
- There are a lot of people in Korea
that debate between a stable career and
doing something they like.
- I think it's a lifelong concern.
- Yes.
I wonder what you guys think.
Suppose you have a high-paying job
that doesn't suit your personality.
Are you just going to adapt to it?
Or will you change your job?
Please raise your hand if you'll change your job.
3, 2, 1.
Please raise your hand.
- I need to do what I like.
- Ogi and Wang Simlin.
- Wang Simlin?
- Ogi and Wang Simlin?
- Simlin, why did you raise your hand?
- I don't think you can change
your personality and trait.
I think you might as well be reborn
than to try and change that.
Like Michael said,
if you do what you don't like,
you don't have much interest in it.
And it's like wearing someone else's clothes.
You're living the rest of your life pretending to be someone you're not.
- Pretending to be someone else for the rest of your life.
- Really.
They say "You Only Live Once".
I think you should go for your dream
because you only get one life.
- We'll cheer for your dream.
We didn't expect this answer from you.
- But I don't have the courage to do so.
- I think age is really important too.
Michael turned out well
because he tried at a young age.
But what if you were a high-paying doctor right now?
- With kids.
- Yes, and you tried an audition once and failed.
You might think differently then.
If I had a high-paying job
that didn't suit my personality,
I think I would just stick with it.
After work, work is work.
- And you can do what you like as a hobby.
- As a hobby. - Looking at different options.
That was a realistic advice.
- I have an opposite experience.
After finishing my MBA, I got a job at an Wall Street investment bank.
I think it suit my personality by like 40%.
I could see the road to success
and I had a decent salary.
So I thought about sticking with it,
but after 2-3 years, I got so tired.
It takes tremendous amount of emotional cost
to force the 60% of my personality to adjust to the job.
There are a lot of people like this in Wall Street.
They keep their job because of the money,
and when they're in their 40s or 50s, they look so unhappy.
So I quit after 3 years and I haven't looked back since.
- I have a friend who works in an investment bank and earns a lot of money,
but he works 12 hours a day and he doesn't even have time to spend the money.
So earning a lot of money is meaningless.
- No time to spend the money.
- You're saying that money doesn't matter, but it does.
Because if you're doing something you like but you're making absolutely no money,
you can't pay rent, your phone bill and
you can't even afford to eat 3 times a day.
- Nik always breaks our hearts.
- So even if you do something that makes you happy,
you won't really be happy.
- But if you think about it,
wouldn't it be sad to think that you haven't really tried
in the moment you die?
- If you make a lot of money,
you can do what you like for the rest of your life.
- Well, age...
- You said age is important.
So I think it's important to
try a lot of different jobs when you're young.
- That's right.
- So you can find out what you like.
If you stay for 10 years just to earn the money,
you won't be able to get a new job when you're in your 30s.
If you decide to stick with the job you don't like for another 10 years,
you'll be in your 40s.
And then you can't get a new job.
It's a vicious cycle.
This is something that a lot of people regret.
So you need to try a lot of different jobs when you're young.
You can't really change your personality.
- Yes, you can.
Not everyone can find the job they want,
and they start a job because they need to make a living.
So they adjust their personalities.
- I don't think that's changing a personality but it's adapting to your job.
- You're improving a trait.
It's like how you became better at debating
after you come on this show.
You didn't change your personality, you just became good at something.
- You can improve your skill. - You can.
- What we need to realize is that our life is short.
Like Mark said, our jobs might suit us by 60% or 40%.
For some, it can be 99% and 1%.
- Oh, interest...
- Compound interest.
- That 1% will only get bigger with time.
If you feel some frustration when you're at Eun-sung's age,
it'll get bigger as he grows older.
- He'll get more desperate. - Yes.
- So we need to find a job that suits our personality 100%?
- Yes.
- I see.
But that's not easy as it sounds.
- Right, but life is short.
- Eun-sung, you're in your 20s. What do you think?
- I tried many different part-time jobs,
but my dream never changed
ever since I was young.
- You always wanted to be a musical actor?
- I first dreamed of becoming a musical actor when I was 18 years old,
after seeing the musical Notre-dame de Paris.
Before that, I wanted to be a singer.
I gave it my all to become a musical actor for 10 years,
so I didn't really have the time to try anything else.
- I have a question.
They say you have a 1% chance of becoming successful in musicals.
Have you ever thought about that when you first started musicals?
- I didn't.
It's difficult to be the best, no matter what job you have.
Not just for musical actors, but for the smallest jobs out there.
I think your time is too precious
to spend on worrying about whether you can succeed or not.
- Let's begin the official discussion with the agenda,
"Am I unusual to be willing to give up a stable career to do something I like?".
- We'll be talking about different lives
that can result from different personalities and skills.
I think we had to take personality tests when we were young.
- Yes, yes. - Although I can't remember.
- I wonder if there are tests for determining your personalities
in your countries.
- In America, the most famous test is the MBTI test.
The test was created by Myers and Briggs,
and there are 16 different types of personalities.
I would study before taking the test.
I took it in university and MBA, which helped me a lot.
It tells you if you're an introvert or extrovert,
or if you're analytic or emotional.
- We'll take a look at the results later.
- It shows you which jobs to choose.
- We take a test similar to the MBTI
in middle school and high school.
It also shows the annual incomes for the different jobs
which can be very helpful.
So you can choose high-paying jobs.
- In France, there is a career information center in each region,
and here you can get help on choosing your career.
- I doubt the French people will actually go there.
"I went to the career center today." And then your friend would be like "Psst".
- Right.
- Not a lot of people go there, right?
- People will make fun of you.
The French people will make fun of you.
The people who work there don't actually have the experience,
so how can they help you?
They just read about it in books.
- We have this special program in Germany
where you have to do internship during 8th to 9th grade.
For 2 to 3 weeks.
- That's nice.
- What's even better is that you have to submit a resume to apply for the internship,
so you can learn how to write a resume.
- Where did you do your internship?
- I worked at the biggest advertising company in Germany.
- How was it?
- Doing creative work fit me really well,
but I didn't like having to sit and work in the same spot all day.
2 to 3 weeks is okay but anything longer would be really tiring for me.
- In Japan, all job applicants have to
fill out a personality test,
which is implemented by almost every company.
The test is actually very simple,
and it asks you questions like
"Are you a bright person? Os "Are you a dark person?".
So you have to choose from two options,
but you shouldn't choose randomly.
Companies look at the test results
of people who quit their jobs quickly,
and they fail applicants who answered similarly.
- They have big data on early quitters.
- That's right.
They pass or fail applicants based on this test data.
- What are some of the education methods
to help children find what they like?
- In the US, there are even words like
Soccer moms and Tiger moms.
They don't know what their kids are good at, so they get their kids to try out everything.
Violin, basketball.
I tried basketball too when I was young.
- It doesn't suit you. - I tried soccer and basketball.
- Like Mark, I tried everything when I was young.
My parents sent me to learn the piano and violin.
But I grew up in a small city,
so I had to drive 3 hours to get to my lesson.
I think my parents sent me to learn musical instruments
so I can be better at math.
- Your parents sent you to music lessons to be better at math,
but it lead you to a career in music.
- I had a hard time back then but I'm so thankful now.
- Do you have kids?
- I have kids.
I have two children.
- What do you teach them?
- I send them to coding classes.
- Are you trying to turn them into the next Michael Little?
You're leading in private education.
- My eldest son is 9 years old.
He's really into video games,
so I tell him that he can make his own video games.
"How does that sound?"
"I like it, dad."
So ever since then...
- But what if you were like,
"Do you like video games? You can make your own games."
- "They already make it for you."
- I would pull the plug out.
- Similar to America, parents in our country
teach their kids everything.
- They teach musical instruments.
- They teach musical instruments, music, dance if the kids are not good at it,
they'll give up and move to something else.
- In Pakistan, the children's career paths
are determined in 4 categories. - Determined?
Doctor, technician, soldier or artist.
You have to choose out of the four.
So if your child doesn't want to do something,
you might have to use the power of the stick.
- That's so scary.
- Fathers have this image.
- But there are so many other careers that don't fit into those 4 categories.
- My parents gave me two choice,
to become a doctor or an engineer.
So I chose to be an engineer,
but it didn't suit my personality so I am doing my MBA right now.
- So you can change your career path?
- You can choose in university.
When you're young, you don't always make the best choices...
- I guess it's only different in Mexico.
It seems like parents in other countries focus on developing their children's skills,
but in Mexico, parents try to
send their children to study abroad.
They think that their children can learn more if they study abroad,
because they think that Mexico doesn't have a high education level.
- That's nice.
- I think parents think that
their children can utilize
their skills better abroad.
- Where do parents normally send their children to?
- Europe, America. - When they're young?
- To Europe?
- They will send their children
to study nothing else but English for a year.
- Not everyone can afford to do that.
- That's right.
But even parents that are not rich
will still try to send their children abroad.
- Making the parents poor.
- That's right.
- It's completely different in Italy.
I don't think we do anything in Italy.
- You don't do anything?
- All the advanced education is done at schools,
so the only extra thing they teach is sports.
You learn sports like tennis, soccer and basketball.
- We asked you to take the MBTI test,
and the results are interesting.
- Here it is.
I think after seeing the results,
some of you might not be here next week.
I really think some of you might want to switch to a different job.
Mark's result is ENFJ. He is a person who shares.
What is this? - That's right.
- A person who shares.
Passionate, responsible and is sensitive to compliments or criticisms.
American economics media Business Insiders
recommended pastor or broadcaster as jobs for ENFJ types.
- One of the famous people who were ENFJ are Martin Luther King and Oprah Winfrey.
- I think this is right.
- Pastor suits you really well.
- Seriously, I think this is right.
I considered this when I was in university.
I thought about becoming a pastor or a counselor.
I like listening to other people,
more than I like to talk and I also like sharing with others.
I'm sensitive to criticism too.
- Another member was an ENFJ type.
- Wang Simlin.
- A person who likes to share?
Don't you like to receive?
Martin Luther Wang (King).
- A person who shares.
- I can't share now because I don't have much to give.
But I like to share.
I want to give like Mark later.
- I think you'll talk a lot if you become a pastor.
- There are pastors like him.
If you go to church retreats, there are pastors like Mark,
but there are talkative pastors like Wang Simlin as well.
- A recommended job for Alex was banker.
- A Swiss banker.
- ESTP is a person who take action.
They act voluntarily and enjoys materialistic richness.
- A rich person.
- George Bush is this type.
- I was a little disappointed about that.
- The son.
- There's one more person.
Donald Trump.
- Trump?
- I agreed with the results for the most part.
There is this word FOMO which means
'Fear of Missing Out'. - Fear of missing out.
- I think that's how I am.
- Next up is Ogi.
ESFP.
You are kind and... Don't laugh.
You love your life to the extreme.
A recommended job for you is an actor.
A famous ESFP person is Leonardo DiCaprio.
- An actor.
- I was really glad about this.
My dream in middle school was to become an actor.
- Why are you laughing?
I actually did musicals when I was in middle school.
- What musical? - Please show us a little.
- I did a small musical with my classmates when I was in middle school.
I was the candle in 'Beauty and the Beast'.
- Oh, the candle.
It suits you.
- Please show us a little.
There are musical actors here. - Please show us.
Go on.
- It's like this.
- I don't think the acting is really good.
- I still want to be an actor.
- Still? - Really?
- If I have an opportunity.
- What kind of actor do you want to be?
A role you want to play.
- I want to do an action movie.
- Why?
- You said you're working out recently.
- He has a dream.
- Next up is Aurélien, which many of you is curious about.
He is an ISEP type, an artist.
You enjoy today's life
and you don't like conflict and irony.
A recommended job is fashion designer.
Famous ISEP persons are Brad Pitt and Steven Spielberg.
- Do you agree with this?
- What? - Do you agree with this?
- I agree with this.
- I'm an artist.
- ISIP is a type that gets along
with other people the best.
- ISEP understands other people very well.
- I don't think so.
- There might be exceptions.
- I think it's because Aurélien puked on Si-kyung's carpet.
- That happened?
- On a carpet in my house.
- The white carpet?
What an artist.
A painting.
He's an artist.
- But it was very small.
Not the entire carpet.
- He expressed his small-mindedness.
- Michael and Eun-sung also took the test.
How were your results?
- I got an EMFP type, an inventor.
Nothing is impossible,
and I'm good at creating.
- Good at creating.
- A famous EMFP person is Walt Disney.
So I really like that.
- You seem satisfied.
- Yes, I really like it.
- What about Eun-sung?
- I'm an ENTP type, a predictor.
- A predictor?
- A person who employs all means
to overcome your challenge.
A famous ENTP person is Barack Obama.
I was expecting to be Aurélien's type.
- An artist.
- Yes. - Aurélien's.
- I wonder why I got this result.
- It's not easy for everyone to find a job that suits their personalities,
but there are certain jobs that perfectly suits certain personalities.
Let's look at some unique jobs that require special personalities and skills.
- In Japan, there is a job called 'Elevator Girl'
that requires good customer service and memorization.
What they do is when
you get into an elevator...
- They guide you.
There used to be a lot of them and now there are fewer.
But you can still find them at a bookstore in Shinjuku.
It's actually incredible there.
If you say a book name,
they'll press the button of the floor where the book is. - Really?
- They have unbelievable memorization skills.
- There must be new books every day.
- In Germany, the housing law requires you
to clean your chimney every year.
A chimney cleaner has to pay attention to details and be strong.
- They must be strong.
- Isn't it a high-paying job?
- Yes, and people believe that it's a lucky job
so they're invited to weddings.
- Like Santa Clause.
- Have you all eaten a Naan before?
A Naan bread.
There is a job in Pakistan specifically for making Naan.
It's called Tanur, which is an underground pit.
You lit in on fire and bake Naan inside it.
The highest temperature can get up to 480 degrees,
and even the nearby ground will get really hot.
Pakistan is already a hot country,
It takes people who don't get hot easily
and those who are patient.
Since a lot of people eat Naan,
there are always long line-ups and they make a lot of money.
They're really tanned and slim.
- Because it's hard work.
- I think civil servants in Canada
needs to be very slow and relaxed.
That's how relaxed they are.
- Okay.
- My father used to be a civil servant,
but when he moved to a private company, his personality changed a little.
He got less lazy.
- You see that in movies a lot.
They're like "Please wait".
- Can you think of some jobs
that require special personalities?
- Michael is sitting next to me, but I think someone who judges others?
- A judge.
- Or people that evaluates job applicants
that are trying to get into a company.
- An interviewer.
- I think those jobs that has to judge others might be a little difficult.
- I think Michael must've had a hard time
while being the judge for 'Phantom Singer'.
You're not good at judging other people, right?
- That was nice.
That was very nice.
Everyone is really good.
Amazing.
That was very powerful.
Everyone is so sexy.
It's good to start like that.
- He always said "Amazing",
"Fantastic",
"So lovely".
No matter who the contestant, everyone is "sexy". - Really?
- He said a lot of hopeful comments,
and other judges like Yoon Jong-shin were in charge of the criticisms.
- Did he ever say harsh comments? - I don't think so.
- What do you remember the most?
- He usually speaks English first and then Korean.
"Amazing, it was great."
"When you sing a song, when you sing a song."
- "I think, in my opinion."
- "I really like your voice,
it's a voice I really like."
"My question, my question is."
"That's a challenge,
that's a challenge."
"I'm so proud of you."
"I told you before,
I told you before."
- You always speak English first and then Korean.
Are you making fun of me?
- He would compliment me one day
and he would say that there was not enough drama on another day.
- That's true.
- He told me that it was hard to connect emotionally,
and always suggests ways for me to improve.
It's not like he's criticizing me without a reason.
- Do you like being a judge?
- Yes, I don't have to think about myself,
and I just try to help the contestants.
- Instead of just saying harsh comments. - Like being a teacher.
- So I really liked that.
- There are people who can say
"You should never be a singer"
and those who cannot.
- Can you say this?
If someone who seems to have no possibility of becoming a singer.
- I don't think I could do it.
Because I would be breaking someone's dream
and I never want to break a dream.
- Guillaume, do you want to be judged like in an audition?
They haven't seen the worst case yet.
- You need to be honest.
Pretend like you're actually at an audition.
- I've preparing to become a singer.
- Please sing for us.
- Nice.
- Go on.
- Okay.
- Pretend like it's season 2.
- Like you're a judge.
- To be honest, you need to prepare more,
but thank you for singing with courage.
- With courage.
- This is not easy to do,
so thank you for singing today.
I think you just need to practice a little more.
- A little more?
- Does that mean it's a fail?
- Yes.
- He's too nice.
- Eun-sung, please say something.
- Your pronunciation was really good.
- If you focus more on hitting the notes,
you could be a lot better.
- The only thing that's good is the pronunciation.
- I could've done better.
- You might've failed today's audition,
but it doesn't mean you failed at life.
- The show won't be any interesting like this.
Producers have to... - There needs to be a villain.
- Like Simon Cowell. But that's really difficult.
You can't talk harshly to someone who has a dream.
- We're all artists and we know how they feel.
So we shouldn't say anything hurtful.
- What are some of the personalities required for a musical actor?
- I think musical actors are people who share emotions.
- Yes.
- I think you should be good at sharing your emotions with others.
- Expressing emotion.
- To deliver the emotion.
- You should also be interested in storytelling.
- There were people who changed their jobs
after finding a talent like Michael.
Michael decided to become a musical actor when he was almost a doctor.
Let's look at some of the people who had different personalities from their jobs.
- I think German people would all say Goethe.
He was good at fencing, language, technical skills, and art,
but he actually ended up going to law school.
And then he went to work at a legal firm in a small town.
There, he fell in love with a woman and wrote 'The Sorrows of Young Werther',
and also wrote 'Theory of Colours'.
- He had a lot of skills.
I didn't know he could do fencing.
- Do you know Descartes?
- Descartes.
- He was good at fencing.
- It was like a basic sport in Europe.
- It looked like a noble sport,
so parents taught it to their kids since they couldn't do it when they were young.
- All parents are the same.
- Yes.
- Steve Jobs never graduated university,
yet he took calligraphy courses.
He didn't think about how it could be useful later on,
he just took the courses because he thought calligraphy was so beautiful.
When he first invented Apple computers 10 years later,
Apple computers were recognized as
computers with the most beautiful fonts.
He said that his calligraphy skills
became really useful for that.
- There was this guy in China who worked as a packager,
but he loved mathematics so much
that he studied mathematics on his own.
A professor at a university said that
he is good enough for a master's degree.
He received funding from a company,
and is doing a research with his team.
- He just studied mathematics while working.
- He was at a masters level.
- It reminds me of the movie 'Good Will Hunting'.
Good will hunting. - Really?
- You know the legendary rock band Queen, right?
A member of the band, Brian May,
was enrolled in doctoral program in Physics at the Imperial College.
- There are people like this.
- He was in a band as a hobby, but Queen got so famous
so he had to quit his doctoral degree.
But he started his doctoral program again and graduated in 2007.
He has a good relationship with NASA and often works with them.
- Brian May actually made his own guitar.
- Really?
- He made his own.
- This is really difficult.
- There are people like that.
- Did you ever think about what you would be doing right now
if you didn't become a musical actor?
Would you be a doctor?
- That's possible.
My wife teaches musical history and acting at a university.
If my wife made a lot of money, I want to work at home.
I want to be a home maker.
A home maker.
- From behind, he would look like a housewife.
- Since I'm too busy being a musical actor,
I don't have much time to see my 2 sons.
I want to be a homemaker and see them grow up.
- Eun-sung, what about you?
- Similar to this job,
I wanted to be a voice actor too.
- Really?
- People like this are good at impersonations.
- I heard you're good at impersonations.
- I'll show you a few. - Nice.
- I'll start with Kim Sang-joong.
- I saw you do it.
- I've done it in the past.
- Let me try this.
- Good. - Pass.
- What else?
- And Yoo Ah-in.
- Yoo Ah-in.
- From 'Secret Love Affair'.
- 'Secret Love Affair'
- Not a lot of people do that. - Right.
- Teacher, I love you.
- Se-yoon approved.
- And if he's in a bad mood.
How ridiculous.
That's all.
- I see 'Gag Concert' in him.
- Actually...
- The twin.
- He looks like them. - he does.
- Anyway.
- 156th Non-summit.
We discussed agenda raised by Michael Lee and Go Eun-sung,
"Am I unusual to be willing to give up
a stable career to do what I like?".
A genius, Goethe once said...
- Whatever you can do, or dream you can do, begin it.
- Begin it.
- Since you two achieved your dream,
what is your advice to those who are still dreaming?
- If you want to become a musical actor,
you need to have passion.
It's really difficult to become a musical actor.
So you need to be happy while you're practicing and studying.
That's the only way you can endure to become a successful musical actor.
- If you enjoy the process.
- Eun-sung, please say something too.
- There is only a slim chance
to winning a lottery.
But for achieving a dream,
your chance of achieving your dream
will increase every time you're more passionate and make more efforts.
You have a greater chance of achieving your dream
than winning the lottery. So go for it.
- Because anyone can buy the lottery.
- He looks really proud after saying that.
- So proud.
- How was it being here today?
- It was really nice.
I don't know why but everyone was so kind and warm-hearted.
So I hope that I could see you outside of this show as well.
I think it would be so nice.
- Eun-sung.
- It was one of my small dreams to come on this show.
I'm so happy to be here today
and I'll make sure to invite all of you to my show.
- Smoothly leading to promoting the show.
- What show are you doing? - We're doing the musical 'Rocky Horror Show'
in Hongik University.
- I'm preparing a musical gala concert with Eun-sung.
We're working with director Kim Moon-jung who is a judge for 'Phantom Singer',
so please stay tuned.
- We hope to see more great performances from you in the future.
- Thank you.
- Until the day we reach the summit.
- A chain that's holding you down from achieving your dreams.
- His face is turning red.
- Take it off.
This moment.
Right here.
Taking off the chain that was holding me down.
- Do a good job.
- All that is left is victory.
- Let us adjourn.
- Let's talk about the mysterious stories
from around the world, 'Is this true?'.
- So all the corpses were burnt.
- It fell down a cliff and everyone got so scared.
-It fell down like a rollercoaster.
- Like this?
- Please welcome Seo Shin-ae, who turned from Bbangguddonggu kid into a lady.
- I'm worried that I look to young.
Am I unusual?
The person asked me if I was in elementary school.
I was really hurt.
- If I tell them I was born in 1988, they all pause for a second.
- I've been playing grandpa characters since I was in high school.
- I like younger-looking face better.
I like older-looking face better.
- A person who looks younger is more healthy.
- You look more reliable if you look older.
- If your mind is young, you will look younger.
- Our minds are young too.
- Let's look at physiognomy for fun,
'Who has a better fortune?' .
- You're lucky,
but you'll look young for the rest of your life.
- Me?
- You have good stamina because you have strong ears.
- Hey, brother.
- You will have great wealth with your tall nose.
- If he goes like this, coin comes out.
- I want to buy a house today.
- $12? Okay.
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